tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196124033481143515.post7536571016342875208..comments2024-03-12T07:11:33.877+00:00Comments on Regency History: Mrs Fitzherbert (1756-1837)Rachel Knowleshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14058142939706153724noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196124033481143515.post-72100883027062512532016-04-02T04:06:52.894+01:002016-04-02T04:06:52.894+01:00I am a non-official historian,writer, artist and m...I am a non-official historian,writer, artist and medicine keeper for an Ojibwe tribe way up north in upper MI. <br />In 1837, James Ord became our Indian Agent. He was the adopted son of a u.s.general Ord. Ord allegedly was sent the boy to raise for a "highly placed person" in England.<br />SOme of our family ran dogsleds of mail in winter when the route to some areas opened when the waters froze over. They said that young Ord recieved letters from England full of imperial seals and even showed the fancy mail to some. It became an open secret that Ord was the child of Mrs.Fitzherbert and the prince of England. There is even a street named after him at his post in Sault ste. Marie, MI. He was supposed to have resettled in California.Im 75 and not good at this electronic stuff, I hope this doesnt erase. I will have to sign as anon, but my name is Elisabeth D.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196124033481143515.post-88406837824820103662015-11-19T16:10:00.597+00:002015-11-19T16:10:00.597+00:00Thanks for sharing. It would be very exciting if h...Thanks for sharing. It would be very exciting if he were able to use DNA testing to prove that George IV and Mrs Fitzherbert had a son.Rachel Knowleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14058142939706153724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196124033481143515.post-38863145573117280862015-11-19T10:31:11.759+00:002015-11-19T10:31:11.759+00:00A fifth cousin of mine Peter (recently discovered ...A fifth cousin of mine Peter (recently discovered through DNA) in Tazmania has an ancestor who the family knew to be the son of George IV and Mrs Fitzherbert, his name was George Frederick Read. Peter is trying to find a direct male line descendent of the Hanovarian royal family with DNA matching in mind to prove or dispel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196124033481143515.post-77386719493706064312015-09-15T20:10:07.010+01:002015-09-15T20:10:07.010+01:00Thank you Margaret for clarifying that point. I th...Thank you Margaret for clarifying that point. I think George acted very badly towards Mrs Fitzherbert - I think it highly unlikely that he ever meant to give up the throne because of her. I believe that she at least regarded it as a true marriage.Rachel Knowleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14058142939706153724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196124033481143515.post-53013535697567880122015-09-11T07:35:59.057+01:002015-09-11T07:35:59.057+01:00To answer a question above - the Pope at the time ...To answer a question above - the Pope at the time of the Prince of Wale's marriage to Mrs. Fitzherbert declared their union valid. In the eyes of the Roman Catholic church the marriage was sacramentally very much a real marriage - and binding. As far the RC church was concerned the Prince was a bigamist (due to his marriage to Caroline of Brunswick). I personally feel that as two consenting adults (and with modern eyes) that their union was indeed valid in spite of what any law of the land might say. Such laws would be considered prejudiced today imo and against common human rights. Thank you for this very interesting read on Mrs. Fitzherbert! Margaret Tudorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05551293692637692904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196124033481143515.post-53725307553115539802015-06-06T12:20:23.365+01:002015-06-06T12:20:23.365+01:00Lots of research is our only hope when it comes to...Lots of research is our only hope when it comes to writing historical fiction! Immersing ourselves in our period is the safest way to get things right. :)Rachel Knowleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14058142939706153724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196124033481143515.post-89376897900337758072015-06-04T17:58:37.238+01:002015-06-04T17:58:37.238+01:00*grin* Thank you! It's a small part of my stor...*grin* Thank you! It's a small part of my story, and actually more the social climate, but the more research I have for the time, the more authentic my story will feel, right? I appreciate your time in responding!Noelle Piercehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15263553230442711930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196124033481143515.post-19114861735402196632015-06-03T14:43:58.627+01:002015-06-03T14:43:58.627+01:00The marriage between Mrs Fitzherbert and the Princ...The marriage between Mrs Fitzherbert and the Prince must have been widely talked about as Charles James Fox denied it having taken place in Parliament in order to scotch the rumours. However, this upset Mrs Fitzherbert as it reduced her to the state of royal mistress and the Prince had to persuade Sheridan to combat this in Parliament. He did this admirably with one of the vaguest speeches ever where he defended Mrs Fitzherbert's integrity without actually saying that the wedding had indeed taken place. <br /><br />I think that Mrs Fitzherbert considered herself married to the Prince throughout. At one stage, I believe she asked the Pope himself to verify that she was still married to the Prince despite his marriage to Caroline of Brunswick. Rachel Knowleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14058142939706153724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196124033481143515.post-10532375278524195172015-06-03T05:21:03.126+01:002015-06-03T05:21:03.126+01:00I'm very interested in this particular time in...I'm very interested in this particular time in history, as I'm basing a book set in 1820 and my hero's father is in Parliament during the trial. I wonder just how secret the marriage between Mrs. Fitzherbert and Prinny was. Of course, we know about it now, but I wonder how many of Society knew at the time. <br /><br />I also wonder, as I'm Catholic, too, whether she considered herself Prinny's wife until she died. They didn't annul the marriage in the eyes of the Church, did they? I may have missed something in my research.Noelle Piercehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15263553230442711930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196124033481143515.post-67997168092446760382015-04-03T10:41:58.716+01:002015-04-03T10:41:58.716+01:00I wonder what you will find! Do let me know if you...I wonder what you will find! Do let me know if you find out anything more.Rachel Knowleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14058142939706153724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196124033481143515.post-30951899892886373172015-04-03T03:47:18.934+01:002015-04-03T03:47:18.934+01:00
She did have a child, or so i was recently told b...<br />She did have a child, or so i was recently told by one of my uncles who conducted detailed research into our ancestry, visiting archives both in France and UK. She is one of my get grandmothers. I never took the time to look into it. But will now as my curiosity has been ignited. Cordelia aka Multilingual Mamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16909862232265377523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196124033481143515.post-47416770194586369612015-03-12T17:53:03.672+00:002015-03-12T17:53:03.672+00:00Thanks for the information. :)Thanks for the information. :)Rachel Knowleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14058142939706153724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196124033481143515.post-66445732635860958542015-03-10T10:13:08.916+00:002015-03-10T10:13:08.916+00:00The vastly entertaining Creevey Papers is availabl...The vastly entertaining Creevey Papers is available in a Folio Society 1970 editionGraham Funnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11504584313341076915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196124033481143515.post-22348000386051111932013-12-18T17:02:51.213+00:002013-12-18T17:02:51.213+00:00It would be very interesting to travel back in tim...It would be very interesting to travel back in time and see for ourselves just what it was about her that was so alluring!Rachel Knowleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14058142939706153724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196124033481143515.post-80841916486356425882013-12-17T22:57:19.543+00:002013-12-17T22:57:19.543+00:00Mrs. Fitz. was educated in France. Most of the pos...Mrs. Fitz. was educated in France. Most of the posters here seem to catch on the idea that she must have had something going on with her. Well, I know-- Like Anne Boleyn, she was educated in France. She had the alluring, bewitching quality that only a French woman or someone with French culture would be familiar with. All the How to catch the best bachelor man, just ask the French. lol Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196124033481143515.post-4915227327121266612013-12-16T18:24:12.233+00:002013-12-16T18:24:12.233+00:00I don't think Mrs Fitzherbert had a son with t...I don't think Mrs Fitzherbert had a son with the Prince either - I think it is more likely that she was barren. I don't know what it was about her that kept the Prince's interest - maybe she was more forgiving of his failings! I was delighted to discover the Weld connection as Lulworth is quite local to me.Rachel Knowleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14058142939706153724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196124033481143515.post-3108516261607346622013-12-16T18:10:03.983+00:002013-12-16T18:10:03.983+00:00I don't think so. Mrs Fitzherbert had been mar...I don't think so. Mrs Fitzherbert had been married twice before and neither marriage had produced any children so I am inclined to think that she was not able to have children. Not conclusive evidence, but certainly an important factor. Rachel Knowleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14058142939706153724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196124033481143515.post-86278935746465487952013-12-15T23:01:49.544+00:002013-12-15T23:01:49.544+00:00This woman has always fascinated me. From time to...This woman has always fascinated me. From time to time, I have read that there was speculation that she had a son with Prinny who was adopted out and sent to America. I find this hard to believe and have seen nothing to substantiate it. But, she must have been a very special lady to keep the attention of the notoriously fickle prince. And, too, she was always spoken of with respect by those who knew her. Thank you for this excellent post. I was unaware of her first husband.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16329122662762438132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196124033481143515.post-7810317107610107092013-12-15T22:48:06.806+00:002013-12-15T22:48:06.806+00:00Fascinating article: thank you for sharing this. I...Fascinating article: thank you for sharing this. I believe the marriage was a bit of an open secret; certainly quite a lot of people seem to have known about it (including the prime minister, whose brother was friends with one of Maria's relatives and managed to get the whole story out of him). It was probably only the fact that the Prince of Wales really needed his debts paid that saved the whole thing becoming a massive constitutional crisis! Do you think they had any children? I've seen various rumours.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14399203399159232910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-196124033481143515.post-54425402482769644022012-12-10T04:29:47.251+00:002012-12-10T04:29:47.251+00:00She must have had something extraordinary going fo...She must have had something extraordinary going for her, in 1830 when William IV made amends she was 74 and one must imagine that she way past her prime.<br />Very interesting indeed, thank youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com